Oh, I miss that reverse traffic flow commute where it only took me 20 minutes to go 15 miles; verus the 45+ minutes now to go 12 miles. For some years, I commuted from the SFV (San Fernando Valley) to the SGV. I would love to be able to sleep or do my makeup or whatever beyond stressing over the traffic! I live in Brooklyn and work on the Upper West Side. I used to live in Los Angeles. OP, can you take the blue line into DTLA and then Uber/Rideshare into WeHo? At least youll be free to do something else during that time. In retrospect, though, I wish Id gone with the tradeoff of living in an area I liked less (the see and be seen part of town) for the ability to walk to work. Nobody really understands LA traffic patterns until youve been living here for awhile. I got an apartment with a roommate 3 miles away from my office after that. And its even got the added bonus of freeing up the Pasadena parking lots because fewer people are leaving their cars there, theyre leaving them at the Azusa stop. And the reason why people live 30 miles away from work is because its not affordable to live close to work. Opps.looks like you already work out in the morning. Sigh! This is your "gross margin" time or "pre-time-tax margin." This has NOTHING to do with some unwarranted assumptions on the basis ofa combination of style and socioeconomics and EVERYTHING to do with real threats shes had to her personal safety. On the East Coast you get commutes like that between CT and NY -northern CT. New York to Philadelphia (1.5 hours by train) or DC and Northern Virginia/ Maryland. Traffic in Southern California is just a fact of life. This is one of those things that depends on you and your situation. He had to take the 580 through the mountains to get to Fremont, which is a total bottleneck so it always sucked. My Monthly Commute Mileage: 660.00 miles Gallons of Fuel: 26.40 gallons Spent on Fuel: $ 52.54 Spent on Vehicle Maintenance: $ 48.18 Spent on Tires: $ 0.00 My Cost of Commuting: $600.72 / month ($7,208.64 / year) If you are a human seeing this field, please leave it empty. Local commuting friends report anywhere from 30 minutes to 1.25 hours. I also wasnt driving it was two hours on the train so I could relax, read, knit, sleep, whatever, and it didnt feel like completely lost time. I decided to move to a location thats 20 minutes by bus from work. Ive lived in Queens and Manhattan and have never had a commute less than one hour. Also, Metro is beefing up security on lines and I would always see sherriffs on board checking fares. The question is whether its worth it for you. What matters is youre miserable, so you should look elsewhere. I had a coworker who did Pasadena Playa Del Rey. Im in an area with long commutes (top 10 US), but even for here that was double many people (though not as bad as others just not in my workplace). But I know LAs subway system isnt the best, so its not practical for every commute. I had a 15-minute commute for 11 years. Its not so much the miles as the stop and go (or slow and go) traffic. Id rather do cool stuff in my time off and take a pay cut. If I work 8-5 or 8-4:30, its closer to an hour each way. If you dont want to drive for 2.5 hours in LA, I hen you need to live closer to where you work unfortunately. And of course the more high-paying tech jobs are added there, the higher the demand for housing there is. For me it is just too much time to spend in a car every day, and OP at 2 hours each way even if everybody else is doing it I think you really have the right to feel that way too! People do work very hard to coordinate their living locations in a place that makes sense for their work locations here for sure. (?). We invite users to post interesting questions about the UK that create informative, good to read, insightful, helpful, or light-hearted discussions. The same commute by public transit would have been 1.5-2 hours (with a transfer) minimum. By 630AM, the 28-year-old project engineer is out the door of his Bishan flat and in his car, on his way to work. Mmm, Ive been exposed to a fair amount of crime (professionally, not as a perp or victim, thankfully). I guess the silver lining is that The commute became too much for me seemed to be a commonly-given reason for leaving a position in Los Angeles, so hopefully interviews will accept that without question. He also started work at the crack of ass, so he was home not long after we got home from school (and we had a SAHM.) Its a nice way to decompress from the day, as opposed to getting on the T which is usually just as stressful as work, if not moreso. Ive looked at a few jobs in SF specifically because I live in Vallejo, which has one of the ferry buildings, and its only an hour by ferry across. I even saw a 20-something female tourist who got slapped in the face by some lady, completely out of the blue (this was the Red Line). When I lived in Chicago, I commuted reverse from just south of downtown to a suburb out by the airport, and it was routinely 2 1/2 hours one way. I recently moved to southern California from New York City. For many folks this probably would not work, but it seems to the best fit for his family. Its like when youre filling up a container with liquid using a funnel if you pour too fast, itll overflow, even if there is still room in the container. I am wondering who you know and what experiences they had that you felt the need to express this. East Bay, Walnut Creek, Concord, Tri-Valley area to San Jose/Peninsula is easily 2 hours. It might be 3 hours at rush hour, when offices and schools re-open. My aging brain just cant take the stress. Its terrifying how easily delays can whipcrack along a chain of traffic. Being on the road for long stretches of time can be . Im lucky in that I can afford to live about 10 miles away from where I work, but before that, I had to live about 30 miles away from work because thats what my family could afford. But that is an unimaginable luxury around here. I dont live in LA, but I visit frequently and have close friends who do live there. I lived in Northern California and the commutes were similarly awful. It costs you weekends when you dont go out and do much because youre so tired and just want to stay out of the car for once. I do think its possible that if you do some research before you relocate, you can find something 30 miles away that will give you a better commute time. I think youll find that it is quite safe. I also happen to live in a part of the city that is very conveniently located relative to the suburb where my office is located, and that was sheer luck. A ton of people commute at least 1 hour each day and they have to DRIVE. They also put out a book called the Book of the Year which was great. This just doesnt seem worth it, especially in the long term. To others, this is absolutely horrifying. Yikes, two hours one-way is too much for me. You must love those llamas. A bit longer than Id like, but far preferable than the hour-plus Id spend trying to get downtown. For almost 3 years my commute was 4 hours daily and another commute was 3 hours with a toddler buckled in the car seat I needed her day care to be close to my work because of emergencies. I could not commute an hour each way every day. And then the housing is even more expensive. So you can categorically say that your 2+ hour commute is not normal. We decided we didnt want to pay 2-3x the housing costs that were paying now. I commute a total of 4 hours a day to London from my home town. Exactly. I used to do a 2+ hour commute for an internship, but it was because it involved multiple public transit connectionsit was not pleasant. Im lucky that the apartment my husband and I moved into 12 years ago, before we had kids, has only had one rent increase in all that time. The San Francisco Bay area is similar, even with having many more public transport options. I had a commute once that varied from 1-2 hours that I had to drive because I lived too far from the train, and it was so draining that I make all of my work/housing decisions based on public transit now. Commuting sucks and I hope you can find something closer to you! My dad did this when he and my mother bought their first house. My commute is 8 miles. I used to live in LA got a job in Santa Monica and commuted from the Valley. We weighed the options and decided wed rather have an awesome place to come home to rather than a bed in a bare room. But driving, I dont want to spend more than an hour a day in the car. My employers local office is in Seattle, and I used to live within walking distance. Peak hours? For a city, 30 miles seems like a lot! I lived in Tokyo for years and 90 minutes-two hours is common but that is by train so you dont have to pay attention. To be fair, Walnut Creek to San Jose/Peninsula is 45 min. I hear Atlanta is even worse. Im a SF Bay Area native (dont live there anymore, but my SN does come from somewhere! All my other commutes have been around 30 mins. I took it once: it was a two-hour train ride from end to end. Id be on board with public transportation options too, but given how long those take to get funded & built, self driving cars are more likely to happen first. I couldnt drive for 5 hours each day even if I didnt have to work too, and there was no traffic- and I *like* driving for fun! I had to drive to the train, take a 1h10m train ride, then transfer to the subway to my office. I used to do a job with a 1.5 hour commute (walk to subway, subway to train, train to other train, bus to parking lot, 15 minute walk across mall parking lot) and when I was complaining to my dad he said bummer. Would you be able to at least leave earlier, even if you cant start work early? It is the traffic when driving that makes it stressful. Not that anyone cares but Im in staff housing again and my current commute is about four minutes walk. I personally would rather have the time and am fine with living in a tiny house, so I pay more to live closer. Ive been fortunate in seeking work close to public transit. 30 miles where? Spouse and I were in Bellevue before giving up and fleeing King County, and thoughts of 405 at rush hour, to and from Everett when one of us needed to catch the train north in the morning, still sends me into a cold sweat . That is sadly very normal out here (and thats my current commute). But 1.5-2 hours each way? 3-4 hours per day in traffic meant I lost 15-20 hours of non-work time each week or a week each month. I live in Federal way and when I was doing my grad school research in SLU it would often take longer to get from Westlake and Thomas to I-5 (~7 blocks) then from Downtown Seattle to Fed (~25 miles). When I first started applying to jobs in LA from NYC, I applied to a job in Orange County even though my intention was to live with my best friend in Koreatown. When it should take 15 minutes and it takes 1+ hrs, thats when I lose my mind. I think its worse now. My manager flies in from another state one week out of the month. Even working in Hollywood was about 35-60 minutes depending on how bad the traffic was on any particular day, or if say, a house on a trailer was left on the side of the 101 for three months and the city couldnt figure out what to do with it. Id walk out of my job before the first week ended. Theyre the staff of fact checkers from the tv show QI and have a weekly podcast taking a humorous look at facts theyve learnt. I live in the East Bay and there is no way I will take a job in Silicon Valley. Its best if you can avoid freeways too. I would say 45 min-1 hr is normal. The scariest was a semi truck veering across 5 lanes of traffic to land onto the interstate median and surprisingly no other car was involved. My last job was 30 miles and a 45-minute commute on a good day and I worked 7:30 to 3:30. I use The Woodlands Express and i always get home in an hour or less! TBH I dont think Ive ever worked in the same location as him, actually. Ah, Id never go back to this huge commute. I remember interviewing in the Bay Area about seven years ago, and scouting potential living situations on the Peninsula, and found the worlds most amazing cottage in Pacifica. For the right job, I once commuted 3 hours a day (round trip) and 150 miles a day. In first period, kids were talking Man, did you see that flat squirrel near the main entrance? Yeah, it was SO FLAT! Try to beat the worst of the traffic and have a leisurely breakfast somewhere/go to the gym/nap in the office? Every time I get salty about our COL I remember that California is above and far beyond. Im in Southern CA but out by Palm Springs. Since youre feeling like you dont have a life this might be an alternative for you, but its hard to make friends. Best move I ever made. Yeah, I live in SD county, and we could have a shorter commute but we love the city we live in, it is a great space for our kids to grow up + close to the beach + affordable. And my office is walking distance to the train station. I drive 30 minutes one-way and that is about my limit. Never, ever again. My biggest concern with many miles is what happens when your car is in the shop. I live in a tiny town so my commute is 5 minutes driving (allow 10 minutes door-to-door). (Forgot to add, distance is just over 20 miles.). Traffic is bad-and others certainly do have commutes that long-but a more reasonable one is possible. But it is getting worse. Base it on your needs not whats acceptable to others around you! Im currently in NYC and was previously in Atlanta, both notoriously big cities with bad traffic. Not only are all houses money pits, my executive function issues are too severe for me to deal with the major responsibility of it all. :(. Some traffic corridors move and some are parking lots (probably based on whether there are lots of viable alternate routes). I dont think Natalie is talking about theoretical calculation of commutes on Google Maps or something. Direct shot down the 405 (I checked driving times through the Sepulveda Pass every day one week and it went from 45 minutes to 3 hours, because of CA drivers. This post gave my traumatic flashbacks. People are busy going about their own lives no matter whether youre in South Central or Wilshire Blvd. Yes, this. I should have been tipped off by the fact that the HOV lanes run from 5 am to 7 pm both directions seven days a week. I have an hour commute for a contract job I just took and they were super concerned that I wouldnt take it because of that. The area I grew up in, for reference, is one of the top five cities in the US for bad traffic. Theres no bus/transit that does a straight line between home and work, so I either have to take one bus into downtown then switch to another to get to Soma, or take a bus downtown then walk 20 minutes. I know someone who used to bike from Venice to Union Station, then take light rail up to South Pasadena. :(. 3) Start looking for a new job closer to you (also may not be possible) Where I live a commute that takes an hour in a car at peak traffic takes about 20 minutes on a moped. Short answer: No. I put >30,000 miles on it in those first two years. I live in The New Forest and work in London which is a 2 hour drive and I sometimes do it twice a week. We live close to several freeways so that helps his commute a lot. I usually have a book Im reading in paperback (or on my kindle) and then something via audibook, so I understand not everything being on audiobook. I live in the Bay Area too and 30 miles is never two hours well unless you go through SF. The Northeast is pretty good, but the West was largely developed after the invention of cars and things are much more spread out / there has been less investment in public transportation. I think the only reason it was doable was because I *wasnt* in the car, and I could zone out (and not having to make any connections was great). Also, a norm in your region doesnt mean you have to have that commute if you live in that region. Even a 15 minute shift makes the commute better or worse. Its limiting my job search, but I know I will be happier for it in the long run. I did a 15 hour a week commute for 6 years, now OK that's probably on the high side of what you'd want to do but it was perfectly doable. It was ridiculous; I stuck it out until I was able to transfer closer a couple years ago. Now Im going from Kingston to a small town in Surrey, and its nice to be going against traffic most of the time (the traffic is caused by schools or roadworks). CanadaTech19 4 yr. ago I had to do it in the days before traffic apps like WAZE and MAN, it was nightmarish. In my line of work, there are not many opportunities closer to my house and if there are, the pay would not be nearly what it is in the city. Total travel time: 12 hours. Because I guarantee you that 30 min is not an average commute for 30 miles ANYWHERE in LA at rush hour. On Fridays in the sunmertime, it can be even longer. LA has decent public transit! For context, Im in the DC area and my commute door to door is roughly an hour on mass transit. So Cal native yup, 2 hours can be totally normal. Mine is a 15 minute walk, but I live in a city. I live in the Chicagoland area, although I dont work in the city. Yes 30 miles is too far for a daily cycle commute. Here in California, I recently (2.5 months ago) accepted a new job as an EA for a great company thats about 30 miles away. As youre looking for your next job, maybe try putting the commute into Google or Bing Maps with your normal leaving or arrival times? The husband drove in to DC for work for six years on 66. Those hours add up, and a few extra dollars isnt always worth a longer commute. in the bus lane. If you have a choice, I wouldnt work further north than El Segundo if you want to stay in LB. Its really not that bad (not counting bad weather/unexpected road closures/etc.). That said, when I relocated to the Northwest, I was adamant that I needed a much shorter commute. Six minute commute here. Now I live in Jersey and my commute is 1 hour and 15 minutes the same as it was from Harlem to my job on the lower east side. Are you living with your boyfriend? I live in a community that doesnt have a train or a commuter rail. I hate left turns, and theres only one to turn onto the freeway entrance ramp, and its pretty low traffic right there.). Right now my commute is 45 minutes by bus, which I love. Plus, having a long train ride means I can actually relax on the train I get on early enough that I always have a seat. About 10 years ago, I lived in the Cleveland burbs and commuted about 1 hour to graduate school (which in that program was a full-time 5-day-a-week job). Thats how I did it. In 2010, the Bay Area ranked 2 nd for fastest commutes, but since then the region has seen the largest increase in commute time among major metros. Sacramento is its own metro area and is solidly Central Valley/Sacramento Valley, but theres also the Amtrak, which can make the commute less miserable than driving. Unfortunately there are none. I recently watched a special on TV about super commuters defined as people who commute 90 minuets or more one way. I already to yoga at 6 am every day (or bootcamp or whatever the other 6 am class is) but I really need to get home by 8 the latest to eat dinner and sleep. my team planned a wine-tasting while Im pregnant, no one is paying attention to my training, and more, coworker sent me his racy photography page, do I need to give my coworkers gifts, and more. by train: 1 hour with no transfers/switches Music is a different matter, because I wont lose the plot if my mind drifts away for a bit. I figured out why I was too tired to go to the gym after work; I spend two to three hours a day behind the wheel. It costs you hours of pay that have to be diverted to higher car maintenance expenses. DC-area here. And its not unusual for our area, but I understand why some folks would try desperately to avoid it. It was a very frustrating drive for more than one reason. I worked flex hours, but still my commute averaged 90 minutesone time it was 11 hours to get home. 2 hours is not normal but that doesnt really help you. I got mugged years ago walking home from the train, and its taken me years not to be afraid of walking alone in the dark. Yeah, if it was breezing through traffic at least but nope. When my lease ended, I moved to Cathedral Heights, and Ive really loved the neighborhoodI have 25-minute walking commute, and its lovely. Or you could make a post on the Los Angeles subreddit; theres someone there that could build you an ebike for ~$2000. Google that it hurt me just to hear her talk about it. This is totally normal for Los Angeles (Im a SoCal native who has lived here all my life). I always changed the subject when people got bug-eyed about my commute time or complained about an accident. It was the extra push I needed to turn down a position that probably would have made me miserable. one hour is my limit for commuting and I managed to make that work (although with a fair amount of compromise along the way). Long commutes are the price we pay for a job sometimes. I hope that youre able to find another job with a more manageable commute! I would 100% not be able to do that. Its just a matter of life in a major metro area. 37 traffic lights, multiple school zones. I have plenty of coworkers doing just this. Southern California is wonderful, but the traffic is just miserable, but again, it is a trade off for living there. I dont think Id be able to handle more than half an hour driving. Im originally from Sacramento, and older than dirt. Or a big red gaslight. I was like we do not have the same idea of what the word traffic means anymore. I wonder if this person is being a little wistful about about their time in new york, too? So we had three phones going all with different routes. I hope you find the perfect combination. Which probably means a higher rent. The worst place is Stockton, where 8% of commuters travel 90 minutes or more to work. The challenge is to find something that will be better for him but also public-transitable for me. You can consider public transit, I took the redline from the SF Valley into downtown for several years as part of my regular commute and I loved it, super convenient. Yep urban fantasy / paranormal romance is one genre, also high fantasy and some pure romance (but I would be way too embarrassed to listen to straight up romance books! 1) ask for a flexible schedule (which is say is unlikely to work) OC is kinda huge, and the traffic and transit availability varies enormously. I live near the first stop on bus #1 and transfer far enough uptown that I always get a seat on bus #2 (a limited). That movie is amazing on so many levels (not least of which is the open season on the LA Freeway scene), everyone should watch it. Were trying to move up our moving plans by several months because of this. Thats below 15 mph the entire way.
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